When I Say STRAIGHT...
Wayne Price wrote:
In trying to understand the Twin Paradox, I am not quite clear on
how nature knows which twin is "older" when they are brought back
together. From what I understand, the twin that is moving in
respect to the universe will be younger. If so, what force does
the universe apply in order to cause this to happen? If it is
gravity, it would seem that the effects of SR would be different
when traveling with the expansion of the universe than against it...
John Anderson wrote:
In special relativity, there is no preferred frame such as what you
are calling the _universe_. The world lines of the two twins are
distinguishable. The one that stays at rest in some inertial frame
has a straight world line in all frames of reference...
The above explanation doesn't directly address the issue, because
it refers to "straightness" as if it was an unambiguous concept.
It's well known that special relativity is based, as is Newtonian
mechanics, on the *assumption* of a preferred set of reference
frames (along with the further assumption that we can effectively
identify those reference frames in any particular circumstance).
It so happens that the preferred set of reference frames (the
"inertial" frames) are evidently those that are in uniform motion
(i.e., "straight") relative to the average frame of the distant
stars. The same is true in Newtonian mechanics. Thus, the premise
of the original poster's question is perfectly correct, i.e., the
criterion of "straightness" is the overall mass of the universe.
As to why this correspondence exists, or how it is enforced, SR
is silent.
As Einstein observed "in the theory of special relativity there
is an inherent epistemological defect", namely, the assumption of
a preferred class of reference frames with no physical means of
identification. He pointed out the fallacy of believing we can
identify them based on "straightness", because SR doesn't provide
us with any means of determining straightness, which is after all
a relative concept. Similarly he pointed out that we can't define
"straightness" as the path of an object to which no forces are
applied, because the only way we have of knowing if a particle is
subject to forces is by seeing whether its path is straight.
Only by embedding SR within the framework of GR do we have a valid
THEORETICAL (as opposed to computational) basis for treating the
twins paradox. [Needless to say, if we just want to crunch out an
answer, and don't care why it's right, or under what circumstances
it would be wrong, we can use SR.] As Weinberg says in his book
on GR
"The question of what determines the inertial frames is
now answered, for the only reference frames in which the
whole universe appears spherically symmetric...are the
frames which do not rotate with respect to the expanding
cloud of typical galaxies. The inertial frames are any
reference frames that move at constant velocity, and
without rotation, relative to the frames in which the
universe appears spherically symmetric."
The earliest writers on relativity clearly understood the
philosophical (not computational) necessity of invoking general
relativity and the origin of inertia in any meaningful treatment
of the twins paradox. For example, in Reichenbach's classic
"The Philosophy of Space and Time" he says
"The error lies in a misconception of relativity...the
theory of gravitation shows that the theory of special
relativity is applicable only because the distant masses
of the fixed stars determine a particular metrical field.
If we take account of the masses of the fixed stars [in
a fully relativistic treatment of the twins paradox] the
apparent equivalence between the two interpretations
vanishes."
Max Born (in "Einstein's Theory of Relativity") makes the same
point, and goes on to quantitatively analyze the situation from a
fully relativistic standpoint, showing how the gravitational field
induced by the distant stars yields the same net effect, whichever
twin is treated as having a "straight" worldline. Thus, the key
distinction between the twins in not which one has an absolutely
"straight" worldline (which is epistemologically meaningless), but
which twin's worldline is straight relative to the fixed stars.
Of course, even general relativity fails to give a completely
unambiguous definition of inertial frames, because the metrical
field is fully determined by the masses in the universe only in
certain closed cosmological models. For open cosmologies, GR
permits universes that are rotating relative to their centers of
mass, and so on. As a result, the true origin of inertia is
still unresolved.
John Anderson replied:
I really don't care about most of the issues you are trying
to raise here because they are irrelevant to the point I
was making.
The issues I raised are entirely relevant to the "point"
you were making. In fact, one of the issues raised was
that your "point" (defining the class of inertial frames
as those moving uniformly relative to inertial frames) is
meaningless.
John Anderson wrote:
When I say _straight_, I mean that the world line of the
inertial twin has the space coordinates as linear functions
of the time coordinate...in all inertial frames...
Look closely at what you've written. You say inertial frames
are those that move uniformly relative to inertial frames. This
is the kind of patently vacuous "explanation" that fuels much
of the sad anti-relativity phenomenon.
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