Galileo's Predicament
Albro Swift wrote:
There's no difference between the Galilean and Einsteinian methods
of synchronizing clocks. In both cases, to synchronize events at
the two ends of a uniform stationary rod, we can simply tap the rod
at its midpoint and let the sound waves (in the rod) propagate out
to the ends, where they will arrive simultaneously.
Brian Jones wrote:
Thanks for your sincere reply, but I must note that you missed the
main point. In other words, where is your proof that these sound
waves will arrive simultaneously?
I understood your point. You advocate a definition of simultaneity
that results in a unique sequence of time slices for all frames of
reference. In fact, that IS your proposed definition of simultaneity.
However, your presentation was misleading in it's historical references,
and I think it lacked the proper emphasis on the main epistemological
point as well.
You referred to your proposed definition as the "classical" one,
and suggested that it was founded in the Galilean tradition. This
is historically problematical at best, because your proposed definition
of simultaneity implies anisotropic lengths within uniformly moving
reference frames. We normally presume the lengths of physical
objects are invariant under spatial rotations in any unaccelerated
frame of reference. This was certainly Galileo's assumption, and
it's entirely consistent with classical Galilean invariance.
However, it's strictly INconsistent with your proposed definition
of simultaneity.
Classical theorists assumed they could have BOTH absolute simultaneity
AND spatial isotropy in all inertial frames, and no one can say
which of those two deep-seated assumptions (intuitions) they would
have preferred to give up, had they realized they were incompatible.
Therefore, it's historically misleading to equate your proposed
interpretation with the "classical" Galilean outlook.
Of course, if you want a historical precedent for your proposal
you don't have far to look. Your proposed interpretation was
invented by H. Lorentz around the turn of the century in order
to reconcile a complex of new experimental results that were
inconsistent with classical predictions. On the other hand, you
may be slightly unconfortable citing this precedent, in view of
the fact that Lorentz eventually aknowledged (albiet reluctantly)
the elegance and power of the interpretation you are disparaging.
The epistemological point in your presentation that I think deserved
more emphasis concerns your comment
"Why do we need a substitute for [B. Jones's proposed
synchronization procedure]? The answer is simple: No one
has yet presented ... a way to produce [such synchronization].
This is admirably candid, but after such a devastating admission one
would expect to see some argument to suggest why your proposal is not
as jejune as it appears to be. Instead, you simply present a review of
some elementary texts, and then conclude by announcing
"The lack of (absolute) clock synchronization is the only
reason relativity theory stands today."
This is badly worded, because it implies sufficiency when you could
only mean necessity. In essence, you assert that if our experience
of the physical world provided us with a basis for a coherent and
operationally meaningful definition of absolute velocity, then our
physical theories would reflect this fact. Presumably so, but the
relevance of this contra-factual proposition to the universe in which
we find ourselves is unclear.
I must say, this entire discussion has a strong ironic element,
because in the age-old debate between absolute and relational theories
of space, time, and motion, the theory of relativity represents the
absolute side. It's well known (outside of internet discussions) that
the theory of relativity is most definitely NOT a relational theory of
motion, i.e., it does not attribute all physical effects to the relations
between material bodies. The effects are ultimately determined by the
absolute background metric, which is affected by, but is not determined
by, the distribution of material objects (except arguably in some
specific cosmological models that are not currently in favor among
cosmologists). Thus, relativity, no less than Newtonian mechanics,
relies on space(time) as an absolute entity in itself, exerting
influence on material bodies. (This is typically introduced to
relativistic treatments by a set of boundary conditions necessary
to determine a solution of the field equations.)
There actually have been attempts to create true *relational* theories
of motion, notably the interesting work of Barbour and Bertotti in the
1970's. It's just an unfortunate historical accident that the name
"relativity" was given to Einstein's theory. The word actually refers
to the covariance of spatial and temporal intervals, not to any
Leibnizian notion that only the relations between material objects
are physically significant. Admittedly Einstein was sympathetic to
this philosophy, especially early in his career, and entertained
hopes of banishing absolute space from physics, but like Newton
before him he was forced to abandon this hope in order to produce
a theory that satisfactorily represents our observations. It is
therefore doubly ironic to see Einstein daily excoriated in this
newsgroup for foisting a relational theory of motion on the world.
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